Modern Muscle

"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii) 07/08/2016 at 07:46 • Filed to: Burnout

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Since manufacturers no longer stuff huge engines into small cars thanks to well... laws, regulations and the marketplace. I was thinking how to fix that in a hypothetical way. Simple rules; stay within the auto group and keep the drivetrain orientation (no FF->FR, etc). Yes, many performance cars already have huge engines but they’ve also received massive chassis and suspension upgrades as well. And that’s just lame. Power>*

Here are some of my examples:

A BMW 3-Series with the turbo 4.4 V8

A Fiat500 with the pentastar V6.

A Chevy Malibu with the twin turbo 3.6l V6.

What other tire munching combinations can you think of?

Berang > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 07:58

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Let’s put a ford engine into an AC.

JR1 > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 07:58

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Nissan 370Z with a truck engine V8

djmt1 > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 07:59

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Defining what a muscle car is these days is as confusing as defining sports cars but I thought size had nothing to do with it. Just a big engine in a normal car so the 550i would be a modern example.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 08:00

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Muscle trucks are easier.

Colorado with LT4.

F150 with Voodoo.

HellRam.

misfitmascots > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 08:06

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Toyota 86 with the 5.0 V8

FocusRS with the 450hp ecoboost

Audi TTS with the S8 plus twin turbo V8

LongbowMkII > djmt1 07/08/2016 at 08:11

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Size has everything to do with it. Simply put, it’s a “full size” engine in a compact or intermediate “standard” car.

A 1970 Caprice with a 454 isn’t considered a muscle car, but a Chevelle with that same motor definitely is.

Now if you stuffed the BMW V12 into a 5 series, now we’re talking!

LongbowMkII > Berang 07/08/2016 at 08:12

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That’s just stupid. No one will appriciate that.

CalzoneGolem > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 08:16

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The BRZ is primed for this. Could drop a big ‘Yota v8 in it or a big Subbie 6.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 08:24

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Fiesta or Focus with a Voodoo longitudinally mounted, like the old Ford Racing kits for the Focus.

BringBackTheCommodore > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 08:25

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I always felt this was a modern-day muscle car, of a sort:

5.3L V8, 4k lbs, 0-60 in 6.7 seconds, standing 1/4 mile 15.1 seconds @ 92 mph. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2009-c…

To me, in a sense, this is a modern-day equivalent of the El Camino (if you squint really hard and tilt your head a little bit) with two more doors.

bhtooefr > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 08:38

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The big problem that you’ll run into is packaging, especially given modern crash safety requirements - current platforms were optimized for the 4-cylinder turbocharged engines that are currently en vogue, and most no longer support the “there’s no replacement for displacement” mentality of a V6.

(It is worth noting that this may well change, however, with both European regulators and the EPA starting to use real-world emissions testing, European regulators cracking down on the loopholes in their regulations, Europe switching to a more realistic test cycle in 2017, European regulations including particulate number restrictions (which will REALLY hurt the current DI turbo gas trend) starting in 2017, and both the EPA and CARB phasing in stricter particulate mass regulations and allowing less enrichment under boost starting in 2017.)

However, muscle cars were shitboxes with big engines. I’ll start with the Chevy Malibu, which you listed, and it’s on the right track (platform mates with DOHC V engines, so it’s got space for my idea)... but you picked the wrong engine. See, the 3.6 twin turbo V6 won’t be long for the world with emissions laws, and turbos hurt reliability anyway, and they can be surprisingly hard to package, especially when you’re talking FWD V6. Go for an LT1 in its nose. (I mean, it wouldn’t be the first time GM shoved a small block V8 in a milquetoast FWD family sedan.)

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 08:38

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Nissan Micra with the flat-pane VK45DE they use in Super GT and LeMans.

LongbowMkII > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 07/08/2016 at 09:02

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“keep the drivetrain orientation”

Now if you accidentally added a FWD based AWD system under that fiesta...

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 09:33

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Then AWD with FoRS drivetrain.

SkyNet > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 09:59

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LS into an Elise

and 100 more > LongbowMkII 07/08/2016 at 10:21

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Honda’s “turd of an F1 engine” mounted transversely in a CR-Z:

(If you must, then rebadge it as an Acura and call it the new RSX-S, or the reborn Integra Type R.)

and 100 more > SkyNet 07/08/2016 at 10:24

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Isn’t that basically a Hennessey Venom GT?

LongbowMkII > and 100 more 07/08/2016 at 10:29

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I’ll allow it.

SkyNet > and 100 more 07/08/2016 at 13:07

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I suppose it was...but that was a little too crazy and involved a lengthening of the chassis. I would like to somehow just cram a base LS into the Elise’s engine compartment.

BringBackTheCommodore > CalzoneGolem 07/08/2016 at 14:04

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You mean, something like this?

CalzoneGolem > BringBackTheCommodore 07/08/2016 at 14:31

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No, nothing like that.

Nauraushaun > LongbowMkII 07/09/2016 at 09:02

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What rules stop them from doing this? I thought it was more common sense. If you put the M5's V8 in the 2-series it’s going to be nose-heavy and expensive for a small car (which consumers don’t like) and steal sales from the more expensive 5er they’d rather you buy. You can get hundreds of horses from a TTI6, so why bother?

I’d like the Viper’s engine to get into something. Hellviper. And while I’d never buy a current GT-R, the more cars that can go that fast, the better.

LongbowMkII > Nauraushaun 07/09/2016 at 09:07

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Offering 500hp V8's in all your cars is going to impact your fleet mpg and emmissions figures etc...

Nauraushaun > LongbowMkII 07/09/2016 at 09:51

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Oh I forget about those things. I’m not sure they’re a thing in Australia.